Can't Afford That Lancia Integrale You've Always Wanted?

"Jonee" (Jonee) 09/02/2015 at 14:43 • Filed to: Yugrale

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Just turn your Yugo into a mini one.

http://m.autonavigator.hu/autosvilag_hir…

Google translate helpfully gives us the details and it really sounds like something.

We already know that the Ukrainians do not go to the neighbors for ideas, but they will flex and the welding gun and !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! Volga. Now our southern neighbors can prove they do not know the impossible, but compared to the Ukrainian methodology for the reverse: it was not Deltából Lancia Yugo 45, but on the contrary.”Official” name of the car Yugo 2.0 Turbo Integrale, and that name sounds as wild, so wild the car itself. Whereas sports Delta chassis track width substantially greater than the body width Yugo itself thus added after substantial was needed, but perfectly, Delta Integrale style solved.The front section is also similar to the Italian car, they could, I ate haphazardly passed to the builders, as the two-liter turbo gasoline engine is not left to lie fallow. If you are scarce, but somehow fits into the resources of the Yugo nose, and probably fun to move the yolk Integrale polished car.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Jonee 09/02/2015 at 15:00

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That looks pretty damn well done. Some larger headlights would look better but otherwise ‘sall good

Jonee > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/02/2015 at 15:02

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Yeah, it looks awesome. And I bet it’s absolutely hilariously entertaining to drive.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > Jonee 09/02/2015 at 15:06

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Dear God. I love it.

Berang > Jonee 09/02/2015 at 15:28

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So it has an actual Lancia engine in it - that must be fun.

Here it was not uncommon to swap out the 1.1 yugo engine for a Fiat 1.5 from the X1/9.

Blondude > Jonee 09/02/2015 at 15:40

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Well, now I want a Yugo.

Jonee > Berang 09/02/2015 at 15:46

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I’d never heard of that. Interesting. In neither case are you improving reliability, but the fun should make up for it.

Jobjoris > Jonee 09/03/2015 at 03:52

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Haha, that “ Volguar ” is awesome as well!

Who would have thought a Lampredi 2.0 would fit just fine in a Yugo? Can’t believe that!

Jonee > Jobjoris 09/03/2015 at 19:13

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I know, it’s amazing. Maybe since the Yugo is based on a Fiat, there’s some logic there. Did people put Lampredi’s in their 127’s? It must be an incredible little driver.

Jobjoris > Jonee 09/04/2015 at 08:47

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FIAT did put an engine by Lampredi in the Brazilian 127, the 147. But that wasn’t the famous twin-cam, just a SOHC. The first one to run decent on Methanol. And sell in big numbers.

And I think the “normal” SOHC 128 engine, that ended up a bit smaller in the 127, was a Lampredi design as well.

I’m sure there have been nutcases who have done this. If someone puts a Integrale drivetrain in a Punto (Maggiora) it almost seems a simple project.

Jonee > Jobjoris 09/04/2015 at 16:52

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Oh, yeah. I’ve read about that Brazilian 147. Another sweet little car. Did they call that an Abarth?

That Punto is epic. A perfect garage would have that next to the Yugrale. I wonder what you could fit in a Panda.

Jobjoris > Jonee 09/04/2015 at 17:17

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I wouldn’t know if there has ever been a 147 Abarth. I wouldn’t be surprised although FIAT did not really use the Abarth Brand a lot back then.

After that Ibiza I drove an Alfa 147 for a while btw. The Panda is roughly the same shape as an Integrale.

Jonee > Jobjoris 09/05/2015 at 02:15

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Is that a Pandagrale? Awesome. How did you like that Alfa? Those are so cool looking.

Jobjoris > Jonee 09/05/2015 at 09:42

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I think it is! Not sure what drivetrain it has but it looks totally awesome.

The 147 was a pre-facelift (with those awesome headlights!) 125hp diesel. And was a blast, I remember driving a Z3-owner nuts in the Eiffel with that one, got that one after the Ibiza. That engine eventually found it’s way to GM as well. But... After 80k kms all rattle & hum started. It’s not that it was unreliable (it just needed a mass flow sensor once as it wouldn’t go over 80km/h any more) but the dash started creaking in every corner.

Jonee > Jobjoris 09/06/2015 at 21:37

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What GM car did an Alfa engine find its way into? That sounds typical Alfa with the squeaks and rattles. Some things never change, I guess.

Jobjoris > Jonee 09/07/2015 at 01:16

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The last gen Saab 9-3 and the Opel/Vauxhall Vectra to name a few used these Italian 1.9 diesel engines.

Well, things do change actually as this used to be at 10k kms. Or earlier ;-)

Jonee > Jobjoris 09/07/2015 at 15:02

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For some reason I never realized that was an Italian motor in those Saabs. A pretty curious combination. A Swedish company owned by Americans powered by Italian iron.

Ha. Very true. I guess they have made some improvements.

Jobjoris > Jonee 09/07/2015 at 17:05

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Well it was a huge improvement for the Saab. Before this one they used an old 2.2 Opel engine. We used to call that one an “oude scheepsdiesel”, barely fit for use in a ship. I drove a Saab 9-3 2.0t prior to the Ford F-150. That car actually was nice. Could really get up to speed but most of the time it was somewhat soothing, I didn’t get it over 130km/h a lot.

Jonee > Jobjoris 09/08/2015 at 01:15

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Yeah, I’m not really too familiar with post-90 Saabs. They do feel nice when you’re in them. I actually just met a couple from Trollhättan who were telling me how the area took quite a hit when Saab closed. A real shame. They were the last of the weirdo foreign cars we got here. But, there really wasn’t any room for them any more.

Jobjoris > Jonee 09/08/2015 at 04:37

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They do feel nice. I’m not so sure there’s not room for them anymore, there’s always room for something special and people are willing to pay for that. It’s just that GM did nothing really good with it and Spyker taking over was completely ridiculous. If there’s a good funding back up and a good plan about the line-up of cars you’re willing to make it can be done. Just look at Volvo. A bit more mainstream maybe but hugely successful. At least over here in Europe.

Jonee > Jobjoris 09/09/2015 at 00:55

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Yeah, I was talking about here. They wouldn’t sell enough cars in America to justify being here. Most people would buy German if they’re going to spend that much money. I think Volvo just barely sells enough, so we don’t need both of them even though their cars were fairly distinct from each other.

Jobjoris > Jonee 09/09/2015 at 02:50

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Ah... But Volvos are cheaper than Audi, BMW and Mercedes? At least: Over here. Otherwise I wouldn’t be driving one ;-)

Jonee > Jobjoris 09/10/2015 at 00:16

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Not significantly enough, I don’t think. At least here, yeah. You probably do get them cheaper. Plus, you have the family connection. Don’t you get a discount?

Jobjoris > Jonee 09/10/2015 at 14:12

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I probably mentioned this before but due to the fact it’s CO-output below 50 grams I got a huge tax-discount. Normally the car is 70k euros. Now due to those tax cuts it’s slightly over 40k. I was one of the few this lucky, I got the car in december 2013, as per 2014 this rule was abandoned (the government saw Volvo and Mitsubishi come up with a car that could actually reach that unreachable value!).

Jonee > Jobjoris 09/11/2015 at 01:11

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Wow, that’s a hell of a discount. Did they sell a lot of those when the rule was still in effect? It’s getting like that here with incentives for hybrids are going away because everyone is buying one now. You used to be able to drive in the high occupancy lane in one, but if they had that now, it would defeat the purpose. And they limit the number of tax rebates they give out. Which is good, I guess. It means clean cars are the norm.

Jobjoris > Jonee 09/11/2015 at 10:13

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Volvo Netherlands couldn’t keep up: everyone wanted one. I was actually lucky. My brother used to work for a Volvo dealer and was called when his former colleague got a cancellation of another order: If I didn’t want it (I drove a 1 year old V40 at that moment). I didn’t even hesitate.

All those rules ended up fucking up all the car-market over here. Some brands didn’t sell any car anymore because they were 1 gram over some told limit resulting in failing getting those discounts.

Jonee > Jobjoris 09/11/2015 at 13:57

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What are the rules like now? I would imagine a sliding scale might work better with the discount depending on how clean the car is. Over here it depends on what state you’re in, but there are federal tax breaks or rebates for electric cars. I don’t think there’s anything for hybrids any more.

Jobjoris > Jonee 09/11/2015 at 16:24

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When I got it it was 0-50, 51-91, 92-109 and above. Something like that. And your income-tax if you get one from your employer differs on CO-output as well. It was a terrible, terrible system. Now they’ve “only” got 3 classes: 0 (purely electric), 1-50, everything above. Not sure if I got the numbers exact but it’s something like this. “Normal” hybrids don’t even get near 50 so there’s really very few.

Jonee > Jobjoris 09/12/2015 at 21:43

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Huh, that’s interesting. And confusing. Did it go by manufacturer rating, or emissions tests? You’d think with your expensive gas, you’d have a healthy amount of hybrids. Over here if gas prices go up a little, everyone buys a hybrid, and then they sell it again and get an SUV when it goes back down. It’s a typically American system.

Jobjoris > Jonee 09/13/2015 at 04:43

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Confusing it is. It’s the ECE-rating. Done by tests by some EU-organization. And this cycle meant a certain, exact way of driving. On a dynamometer. To be able to get the best of it there’s a huge amount of tricking to do so the ECE-rating differs a lot from reality. REALLY a lot.

How does one beat that system? Mercedes mounted a default 40 liter tank, customers could opt for a non-additional payment 65 liter tank. Why? For that ECE test you’re supposed to run with 50% of your tank filled up.

Another great one was a company that programmed their motormanagement in a way it could recognize when an ECE-test was started. That way other tables were used to compute ignition and fuelinjection. It’s officially never stated which company this was. It is said it was VAG. Off course all ECE-tests are run on low-resistance tires from Michelin. Which VAG in the Netherlands doesn’t mount. Because they’re importing Continental as well. The list is endless.

Jonee > Jobjoris 09/14/2015 at 01:53

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Wow, that is a complete and utter clusterfuck, pardon my French. And it accomplishes nothing. Good job, EU. Very clever trick with the gas tanks, though. It’s so obvious, how did they get away with it? We have similar issues with the government tests, but I’ve never read about that kind of tom-foolery to trick the system.

Jobjoris > Jonee 09/14/2015 at 07:43

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Haha, I love those tricks trying to get all legislation and ruling at your side. How they’d get away? Default it’s just a 40 liter tank: What are you talking about? ;-)

Best part is that Mercedes-Benz tells this to anyone who’s lending an ear. Maybe they just want to make clear how fucked up this system actually is?

We Europeans can be innovative. Somehow.